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Master Roshi Vs. The Bleach Verse
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Ki blasts isn't everything. Roshi was scared of moving that boulder back in DB. If a character is faster it won't matter how strong he is. Even if he can bust 10 moons it won't make a difference if Roshi can't touch Ichigo.
If Roshi is the stronger of the two, he'd obviously still have a slight speed advantage. According to your logic, Ichigo would be able to take Superman if he's faster than him and we both know that would never, ever happen.
No that's a logical fallacy. Ichigo can't take superman because superman is faster than the speed of light at some points and is therefore stronger faster than Ichigo. If Ichigo could even have a slight speed advantage nothing would hurt superman of Ichigo's. Ichigo is faster than Roshi because of how fast Gotenks went around the Earth. DB characters only start fighting at light speed in DBZ and that's pushing it since most people don't even agree with me there because of how slow Gotenks was around the Earth. You're making the same mistake Trunks made against Cell. Cell admitted Trunks was stronger but it didn't matter at all since he was too slow.
And when did Ichigo travel at the speed of light? What are his feats?
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The speed at which the sword extends and contracts is originally said to be 500 times the speed of sound (171,500 meters per second), reaching its full length in less than 1/10 of a second, making it the fastest zanpakutō

Ichigo doged that. Not light speed, but faster than all DB characters.
Dragonball era characters moved at the speed of sound; namely King Piccolo. By the time Goku arrives to fight Nappa, I'm pretty sure he can fly/move at light speed; that's what's implied anyway. Roshi wins with a struggle, but only if he's allowed to use his buff form. Otherwise he loses, I guess.
Uh no not really Gotenks circled the earth 5 times in 3 minutes. This is why I hate debating non dbz vs dbz on a dbz forum.
Gotenks; the one who's known to be playful and not take anything seriously. You're seriously implying that a simple humanoid could take on/defeat an experienced martial artist who has trained for hundreds of years. Really.
I'm not implying it I'm saying it. That was the fastest showing of speed in DBZ. I don't think anyone will agree with you even here on a dbz forum that anyone can go faster around the Earth than Gotenks other than U Gohan and Super Buu. Buuhan wasn't fast himself and was around the Earth taking a few minutes. I'm not even sure how far it was but I'll give the benefit of the doubt that it was as large as the Earth when he caught up to Goku.
And the only feat he has got behind him is dodging a fast sword. Some could argue that Dabura's sword would be as fast as or faster than that; and Gohan dodged it easily and he's a lot slower than Gotenks. Did Ichigo even circle the globe, if so how long did it take him? I doubt he could do it within five minutes.
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If Roshi is the stronger of the two, he'd obviously still have a slight speed advantage. According to your logic, Ichigo would be able to take Superman if he's faster than him and we both know that would never, ever happen.
No that's a logical fallacy. Ichigo can't take superman because superman is faster than the speed of light at some points and is therefore stronger faster than Ichigo. If Ichigo could even have a slight speed advantage nothing would hurt superman of Ichigo's. Ichigo is faster than Roshi because of how fast Gotenks went around the Earth. DB characters only start fighting at light speed in DBZ and that's pushing it since most people don't even agree with me there because of how slow Gotenks was around the Earth. You're making the same mistake Trunks made against Cell. Cell admitted Trunks was stronger but it didn't matter at all since he was too slow.
And when did Ichigo travel at the speed of light? What are his feats?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Ichimaru
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The speed at which the sword extends and contracts is originally said to be 500 times the speed of sound (171,500 meters per second), reaching its full length in less than 1/10 of a second, making it the fastest zanpakutō

Ichigo doged that. Not light speed, but faster than all DB characters.
Dragonball era characters moved at the speed of sound; namely King Piccolo. By the time Goku arrives to fight Nappa, I'm pretty sure he can fly/move at light speed; that's what's implied anyway. Roshi wins with a struggle, but only if he's allowed to use his buff form. Otherwise he loses, I guess.
Uh no not really Gotenks circled the earth 5 times in 3 minutes. This is why I hate debating non dbz vs dbz on a dbz forum.
Gotenks; the one who's known to be playful and not take anything seriously. You're seriously implying that a simple humanoid could take on/defeat an experienced martial artist who has trained for hundreds of years. Really.
I'm not implying it I'm saying it. That was the fastest showing of speed in DBZ. I don't think anyone will agree with you even here on a dbz forum that anyone can go faster around the Earth than Gotenks other than U Gohan and Super Buu. Buuhan wasn't fast himself and was around the Earth taking a few minutes. I'm not even sure how far it was but I'll give the benefit of the doubt that it was as large as the Earth when he caught up to Goku.
And the only feat he has got behind him is dodging a fast sword. Some could argue that Dabura's sword would be as fast as or faster than that; and Gohan dodged it easily and he's a lot slower than Gotenks. Did Ichigo even circle the globe, if so how long did it take him? I doubt he could do it within five minutes.
No one can argue that and no one will. I do think DBZ fighters went at light speed while fighting during the DBZ saga, but I stand alone in that aspect since I hype up DBZ sometimes.

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No that's a logical fallacy. Ichigo can't take superman because superman is faster than the speed of light at some points and is therefore stronger faster than Ichigo. If Ichigo could even have a slight speed advantage nothing would hurt superman of Ichigo's. Ichigo is faster than Roshi because of how fast Gotenks went around the Earth. DB characters only start fighting at light speed in DBZ and that's pushing it since most people don't even agree with me there because of how slow Gotenks was around the Earth. You're making the same mistake Trunks made against Cell. Cell admitted Trunks was stronger but it didn't matter at all since he was too slow.
And when did Ichigo travel at the speed of light? What are his feats?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Ichimaru
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The speed at which the sword extends and contracts is originally said to be 500 times the speed of sound (171,500 meters per second), reaching its full length in less than 1/10 of a second, making it the fastest zanpakutō

Ichigo doged that. Not light speed, but faster than all DB characters.
Dragonball era characters moved at the speed of sound; namely King Piccolo. By the time Goku arrives to fight Nappa, I'm pretty sure he can fly/move at light speed; that's what's implied anyway. Roshi wins with a struggle, but only if he's allowed to use his buff form. Otherwise he loses, I guess.
Uh no not really Gotenks circled the earth 5 times in 3 minutes. This is why I hate debating non dbz vs dbz on a dbz forum.
Gotenks; the one who's known to be playful and not take anything seriously. You're seriously implying that a simple humanoid could take on/defeat an experienced martial artist who has trained for hundreds of years. Really.
I'm not implying it I'm saying it. That was the fastest showing of speed in DBZ. I don't think anyone will agree with you even here on a dbz forum that anyone can go faster around the Earth than Gotenks other than U Gohan and Super Buu. Buuhan wasn't fast himself and was around the Earth taking a few minutes. I'm not even sure how far it was but I'll give the benefit of the doubt that it was as large as the Earth when he caught up to Goku.
And the only feat he has got behind him is dodging a fast sword. Some could argue that Dabura's sword would be as fast as or faster than that; and Gohan dodged it easily and he's a lot slower than Gotenks. Did Ichigo even circle the globe, if so how long did it take him? I doubt he could do it within five minutes.
No one can argue that and no one will. I do think DBZ fighters went at light speed while fighting during the DBZ saga, but I stand alone in that aspect since I hype up DBZ sometimes.
Yet you're the only one saying that Ichigo or anyone from the Bleach or Naruto universe can stand up to anything post Dragonball. Roshi simply defeats Ichigo without even breaking a sweat, feats aside.
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And when did Ichigo travel at the speed of light? What are his feats?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Ichimaru
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The speed at which the sword extends and contracts is originally said to be 500 times the speed of sound (171,500 meters per second), reaching its full length in less than 1/10 of a second, making it the fastest zanpakutō

Ichigo doged that. Not light speed, but faster than all DB characters.
Dragonball era characters moved at the speed of sound; namely King Piccolo. By the time Goku arrives to fight Nappa, I'm pretty sure he can fly/move at light speed; that's what's implied anyway. Roshi wins with a struggle, but only if he's allowed to use his buff form. Otherwise he loses, I guess.
Uh no not really Gotenks circled the earth 5 times in 3 minutes. This is why I hate debating non dbz vs dbz on a dbz forum.
Gotenks; the one who's known to be playful and not take anything seriously. You're seriously implying that a simple humanoid could take on/defeat an experienced martial artist who has trained for hundreds of years. Really.
I'm not implying it I'm saying it. That was the fastest showing of speed in DBZ. I don't think anyone will agree with you even here on a dbz forum that anyone can go faster around the Earth than Gotenks other than U Gohan and Super Buu. Buuhan wasn't fast himself and was around the Earth taking a few minutes. I'm not even sure how far it was but I'll give the benefit of the doubt that it was as large as the Earth when he caught up to Goku.
And the only feat he has got behind him is dodging a fast sword. Some could argue that Dabura's sword would be as fast as or faster than that; and Gohan dodged it easily and he's a lot slower than Gotenks. Did Ichigo even circle the globe, if so how long did it take him? I doubt he could do it within five minutes.
No one can argue that and no one will. I do think DBZ fighters went at light speed while fighting during the DBZ saga, but I stand alone in that aspect since I hype up DBZ sometimes.
Yet you're the only one saying that Ichigo or anyone from the Bleach or Naruto universe can stand up to anything post Dragonball. Roshi simply defeats Ichigo without even breaking a sweat, feats aside.
What? That makes no sense :o_O: . I'm not gonna hype it up to the point where I think DB fighters are moving close to as fast as Ichigo
Ichigo speed blitzes Roshi before he realizes it. Sure you can hype up DB if you want, but you'll have trouble with getting people to agree with you just as I have trouble making people believe that somewhere later in Z characters fight at light speed.

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Roshi can move fast enought to leave an after image, he can destroy the moon, he can lift tons upon tons of weight, and he has a near endless supply of techniques. Its a good fight, But Roshi comes out on top cut up, but still very much alive.
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i dunno ur under ratting ichigo

hes faster

and with his bankai even faster and with his hoolow fication hes even faster theres no way in hell that hes gonna lose to an old fart(old and strong fart)

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i dunno ur under ratting ichigo

hes faster

and with his bankai even faster and with his hoolow fication hes even faster theres no way in hell that hes gonna lose to an old fart(old and strong fart)

Ichigo is 350 - 500 MPH or even higher in his Bankai during the SS Arc, he hasn't even break the sound barrier as far as I can remember.
I think he broke the Sound Barrier during his fight against Grimmjow in the HM Arc with his Bankai only.
His mask gives you x2 the strength you have, so I think that Ichigo is Mach 2.5 during the HM Arc.
Ichigo becomes Mach 3.5 during the FKT Arc and his H2 form is at Mach 5 - 7.
In Bankai form (Post-Dangai Training) he's about 10 - 12 Mach.
Still not enough to beat Roshi, I have Roshi at 13 Mach+ in base form and 18 Mach in his full power.
But can the whole verse match Roshi or not?

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Well,when I rethink it,Roshi from DBZ could be too old for fighting,but Roshi from DB wins and there is not even arguing there
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with his hollow form ichigo could definitely put up a fight against roshi, but thats about it. roshi is a chi master, ichigo is a chi student with alot of power, in the end i see roshi being like yoruichi, ichigo cant beat her either. roshi might not be able to move at the spped of sound but neither can ichigo in human form. Without his shinigami form he cant do much at all. Even his new fullbringer powers wouldnt be much help even though they are physical.
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They said that Ichigo got stronger than he was before after he got fullbring to recover his shiginami powers and the Gotei 13 gave him their reitasu .

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he LOST those fullbring powers, he only has the shinigami powers now, and his hollow power was just beginning to be realized before that whole kageroza thing. Ichigos power comes from his dad and his hollow form, but i also think that since his fullbring abilities ALREADY existed? they have something to do with his high spiritual pressure as well.
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he LOST those fullbring powers, he only has the shinigami powers now, and his hollow power was just beginning to be realized before that whole kageroza thing. Ichigos power comes from his dad and his hollow form, but i also think that since his fullbring abilities ALREADY existed? they have something to do with his high spiritual pressure as well.
Nah, ginnjow said he was stronger after the gotei 13 dipped their reiatsu into him (this is after he lost his full bring).

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As I've said on another forum, Roshi isn't being defeated by Bleach characters anytime soon.

I don't see anyone in Bleach bullet timing like he can, not to mention he can freeze them like he did to people in Dragon Ball.
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